tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9194750015669984785.post4133253928953548805..comments2023-09-07T13:51:05.341-04:00Comments on From Seventh-day Adventism to Catholicism : PRINTED BY PERMISSIONTeresa Beemhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11912526855851742840noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9194750015669984785.post-91182893842475607302009-10-05T04:57:39.536-04:002009-10-05T04:57:39.536-04:00I just want to let you know that there is a Facebo...I just want to let you know that there is a Facebook group called Adventists For Life. It is composed of Seventh Day Adventists who want the church to change their official stance to a truly pro-life one. We hope to have our own website someday.<br /><br />http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=625056040#/group.php?gid=10658734349Jemdudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09068123497552508466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9194750015669984785.post-33412002326223140972009-03-26T21:47:00.000-04:002009-03-26T21:47:00.000-04:00It's been said in previous posts that no denominat...It's been said in previous posts that no denomination supports Sunday laws, but that isn't true. In the nation of Croatia, they passed a law to limit Sunday shopping. It was highly promoted by the Roman Catholic Church.<BR/>http://www.adventistreview.org/article.php?id=2137<BR/><BR/>I'm not here to argue about which day is the Sabbath day. However, it is interesting that when people argue with an Adventist on the issue, they will say "it doesn't make any difference what day you keep". If that is the case, why did the Catholic church promote this Sunday law? <BR/><BR/>The truth is, Sunday is sacred to you guys and the idea that another day can take the place of Sunday simply isn't true. If it were true, then the Roman Catholic Church would never have promoted this law.Jemdudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09068123497552508466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9194750015669984785.post-78354544488431911392009-03-26T15:26:00.000-04:002009-03-26T15:26:00.000-04:00ppl need to stop this none sence like you teresa a...ppl need to stop this none sence like you teresa and really read the bible and stop making money traying to destroy ppls souls.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9194750015669984785.post-79772580394916791722009-03-26T15:23:00.000-04:002009-03-26T15:23:00.000-04:00i should say that what you are doing is betwen you...i should say that what you are doing is betwen you and the devil becuase that is the devil job you are doing teresaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9194750015669984785.post-13462299371464801002009-03-26T15:18:00.000-04:002009-03-26T15:18:00.000-04:00left a message...ahhh,I'm pretty sure I saw it pos...left a message...ahhh,I'm pretty sure I saw it post!I can't find it now... me to teresa did you think what i was saying you did not want ppl to read i keep looking and i cannot fine it why is that i see is not the first time this happens i saw that it hapent to somwone else are you scared that what you are saying is not the tru ok well so be it, i knw the truAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9194750015669984785.post-54393202464769114572009-02-12T19:11:00.000-05:002009-02-12T19:11:00.000-05:00you know come to think of it the is no biblical ev...you know come to think of it the is no biblical evidence that a solemn assembly was on sunday, they just met. just like wednesday bible studies. It's precious to have christian fellowship. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the sabbath it has been since the begining and if having church for you on that day is not working out, it's good to know you have found something that does. <BR/><BR/>I am glad christ died for me and resurrected on sunday. i don't need to make a tradition of it. if it helps you know that he rose again then go for it. i feel some of the statements are very unfair and do not represent the whole truth.<BR/><BR/>I should treat the day he died with a lot of significance too shoulnd't i...but that will be traditions of men not of God ha ha. this means that the body of christ is really confused. <BR/><BR/>I love God and i love you a child of God. ps i am an adventist and i love open discussions i don't want to argue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9194750015669984785.post-4006268909843244882008-11-19T15:13:00.000-05:002008-11-19T15:13:00.000-05:00Jem, please don't buy into the conspiracy theories...Jem, please don't buy into the conspiracy theories. The Catholic Church has better things to do then try to make you obey blue laws. <BR/><BR/>Ed, thanks so much!<BR/><BR/>Fr. JAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9194750015669984785.post-31207165804621420572008-11-16T15:48:00.000-05:002008-11-16T15:48:00.000-05:00Fr. J and Teresa,The book is called "An Adventist ...Fr. J and Teresa,<BR/>The book is called "An Adventist and a Catholic, by Paul Eirene, C.Ss.R.".<BR/>This book, written by a Catholic priest, is a personal encounter with Seventh-day Adventism. It consists of letters exchanged between the author, and an Adventist friend. It captures the deep spirituality of Catholicism and compares it quite objectively with Adventism. I read this book and was stunned at the contrast between the incredibly spiritual depth of Catholic teaching and the message of the Bible on the one hand, and the Adventist attempt to read things into the Bible and bring back the Old Covenant Sabbath on the other hand. Truly one of the best books I have read on the Catholic view of the Sabbath and other Adventist teachings. This is really a MUST for any Catholic interested in Adventism, or any Adventist interested in Catholicism. The book was translated from the original Slovak. <BR/><BR/>The book can be purchased from<BR/>Ave Maria Press, P.O.Box 489, Station U, Toronto, Ontario, Canada M8Z 5Y8<BR/>or by phoning<BR/>(416) 251-4245<BR/>(800) 663-MARY<BR/>or faxing (416) 253-0480.<BR/><BR/>Original info taken from: http://www.theotokos.co.za/adventism/books.htmlEdgardohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02714529715125410673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9194750015669984785.post-12258455435549812422008-11-15T22:19:00.000-05:002008-11-15T22:19:00.000-05:00Jemdude,Well, history shows that there were just a...Jemdude,<BR/>Well, history shows that there were just as many Sunday Laws from Protestant groups as with Catholic. History tends to repeat itself, so I have no doubt there will be some groups out there trying to force businesses to shut down on Sunday. It just won't be about making people worship then--too many Jews and Muslims and atheists to force anyone to worship ANYTIME!<BR/><BR/>When it comes to where you worship, I think that is between you and God. If God is not telling you to leave Adventism, don't! Just obey Him and you will be given peace. And keep in mind LOTS of denominations have Friday or Saturday services--even Catholic!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9194750015669984785.post-72493112212344368462008-11-15T19:06:00.000-05:002008-11-15T19:06:00.000-05:00Teresa,The problem with the Sunday laws that the C...Teresa,<BR/><BR/>The problem with the Sunday laws that the Catholic church wants to impliment is that while they may not force a person to go to go to church on Sunday, it will force all businesses to close on Sundays. This will make it very inconvenient for Sabbath keepers who will have to wait until Monday to shop and make it harder to work on Sunday to make up for lost time for not working on Saturday.<BR/><BR/>I think I'm going to stay in the Adventist church because every church has their faults and I'm not going to feel comfortable in a regular Sunday keeping church. Ironicly, I know of at least one former Roman Catholic who became an Adventist. If I were to move, I would consider another Sabbath keeping church or Messianic Judaism, but not back to a regular church.Jemdudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09068123497552508466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9194750015669984785.post-15556363808275740902008-11-14T09:20:00.000-05:002008-11-14T09:20:00.000-05:00EEEWWWWW, what a great idea! I never thought about...EEEWWWWW, what a great idea! I never thought about that.... <BR/><BR/>Hummm I am going to give that some serious thought. I am already knee deep in a book that will probably take me a couple years to write, but I think the book you are speaking of is really necessary.<BR/><BR/>About the Catholic and Adventist book, I just sent my only copy to a cousin. Don't know where you might find it--- can't even remember where I got it.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the idea! And I may be contacting you for help sometime in the future...<BR/>God bless,<BR/>TeresaTeresa Beemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11912526855851742840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9194750015669984785.post-13640848190644711902008-11-13T22:22:00.000-05:002008-11-13T22:22:00.000-05:00Teresa,I am afraid not. Although in your book you ...Teresa,<BR/>I am afraid not. Although in your book you mention one written by a Catholic and an Adventist from Ave Maria Press. I can't find it anywhere. <BR/><BR/>I think what would be helpful would be taking the common fallacies that Adventists use against Catholics and writing a solid apologetic. All of the things Amazing Facts and their ilk put out. A critique of how they misuse the papacy in prophesy. The whole 666 issue. If you could get a good theologian to co-write it that would be great. It would be a huge task, but someone needs to do it. If I can think of anything to help I will let you know.<BR/>Fr. JAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9194750015669984785.post-26806276466426701152008-11-12T18:14:00.000-05:002008-11-12T18:14:00.000-05:00I would love to do that.... do a Catholic version ...I would love to do that.... do a Catholic version of the book. Marcus Grodi mentioned the same thing. So, you have any suggestions as to who to contact?Teresa Beemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11912526855851742840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9194750015669984785.post-28944278631176296642008-11-12T16:30:00.000-05:002008-11-12T16:30:00.000-05:00Teresa,I know how you feel being a convert myself ...Teresa,<BR/>I know how you feel being a convert myself and having had a similar experience. To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant as Newman said. When you get a chance you might update your book to reflect Catholic concerns or write one that deals with the Adventist view of Catholicism. In a way though your book might be a good bridge. An Adventist who might never ever consider Catholicism might through your book become a Protestant on the way to Rome. <BR/><BR/>Fr. JimAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9194750015669984785.post-13785773707155851342008-11-09T19:38:00.000-05:002008-11-09T19:38:00.000-05:00Fr. Jim,My husband and I were thoroughly Protestan...Fr. Jim,<BR/>My husband and I were thoroughly Protestant when we wrote the book. But simultaneously we were studying the Catholic faith (along with Calvinism, Lutheranism, Fundamentalism, etc.) It was interesting because researching the "Sabbath History " part of the book threw us directly in the path of the Ante-Nicene writers. Those were ultimately the source materials that made us look at scripture differently. <BR/><BR/>I have been telling people, when you really research the first 150 years of Christianity, you are put in a position of either becoming Catholic or atheist. You have to dump the whole thing as craziness or say that God was in charge. And if God was in charge, then He wanted his church to obey the anointed succession of bishops, believe in the real presence in the Eucharist.... it just goes on and on. <BR/><BR/>I didn't want to leave Adventism--I LOVED being an Adventist. But I desired more than anything to know God. So when I found out that Adventism distorted one's view of God, I left. It was the most traumatic decision I ever made. Then I can tell you I DID NOT NOT NOT want to become Catholic. But when I saw that they had the fullness of truth, I jumped in and actually thought it would kill me. (I thought I would die of a heart attack.... really! It was that emotionally terrifying.) But then... the more I studied the more I understood and God opened my eyes and I cannot tell you how I am more overjoyed, stunned, and overcome by the beauty of God and His creation now. Every day I wake up thanking God with all my heart that He carried me kicking and screaming into Catholicism!Teresa Beemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11912526855851742840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9194750015669984785.post-81047709110623113132008-11-09T12:29:00.000-05:002008-11-09T12:29:00.000-05:00Teresa, welcome home to the Catholic Church. I jus...Teresa, welcome home to the Catholic Church. I just got your book. Is it written from a Catholic perspective or were you still a Protestant when it was written? I look forward to reading it. <BR/><BR/>Fr. JimAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9194750015669984785.post-84389085640231457772008-11-09T08:23:00.000-05:002008-11-09T08:23:00.000-05:00Still,The Catholic church wants NO impediments to ...Still,<BR/>The Catholic church wants NO impediments to those who want to attend mass on Sunday. It is the exact same thing as Adventists who want NO impediments to being able to worship on Saturday. Catholics who reside in radical Muslim and Hindu and even Buddhist areas are being prevented from Christian worship. This is what the pope is speaking of, laws that allow CHRISTIANS to worship, not laws that force non-Christians and Sabbatarians to worship on Sunday.<BR/><BR/>And I actually have read that speech by Jones. <BR/><BR/>So what I wrote was correct, we were just interpreting "Sunday Law" differently. But I should have known how Adventists take that phrase.... mea culpa. What I was referring to was there are no current denomination I am aware of that are trying to force anyone to attend Sunday services. <BR/><BR/>There are groups out there who are trying to enact Sunday laws that will allow them to freely go to church on Sunday without being fired. (See the similarities with what the SDA church is doing with their "Religious Freedom" legal arm that tries to keep Sabbatarians from being fired for keeping Saturday?)<BR/><BR/>Hope that clears it up.Teresa Beemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11912526855851742840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9194750015669984785.post-49497731005188728092008-11-09T08:14:00.000-05:002008-11-09T08:14:00.000-05:00I attend St. Paul's Catholic church on Sundays and...I attend St. Paul's Catholic church on Sundays and go to Wednesday night services at Temple Baptist. <BR/><BR/>I will always attend Protestant services because I LOVE the charismatic praise times--raising your hands, etc. But theologically I am Roman Catholic. I also adore, adore the high liturgy and symbolism of that faith. I am kinda ecumenical in my love for worshiping God.Teresa Beemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11912526855851742840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9194750015669984785.post-12302517971779644652008-11-08T13:34:00.000-05:002008-11-08T13:34:00.000-05:00Teresa, what church denomination are you attending...Teresa, what church denomination are you attending now?Jemdudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09068123497552508466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9194750015669984785.post-26252045544978916482008-11-07T07:55:00.000-05:002008-11-07T07:55:00.000-05:00Teresa,No denomination supported a Sunday law? Rea...Teresa,<BR/><BR/>No denomination supported a Sunday law? Really? What about the Catholic Church, for example? I have myself heard John Paul II speaking of just this and even urging governments of the world to ensure that there would be no obstacle to prevent Sunday observance. And I heard the current Pope saying that Catholic public servants (a.k.a politicians) have to follow the Church doctrines lest they be excommunicated. All of this is not legend.<BR/><BR/>Please, read the book The National Sunday Law: Argument of Alonzo T. Jones before the United States Senate Committee on Education and Labor, Dec. 13, 1888 (you can find it on Amazon.com too). A.T. Jones really appeared before the Senate which wanted to implement just that, a Sunday law. It is not legend either. <BR/><BR/>So what you wrote is not correct.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9194750015669984785.post-67949426023834568342008-11-06T10:37:00.000-05:002008-11-06T10:37:00.000-05:00I have actually found no denomination that support...I have actually found no denomination that supports Sunday laws. Particular people or individual churches might, but a Sunday Law is simply not stressed in any denomination I have ever encountered. <BR/><BR/>That is kind of an Adventist legend.Teresa Beemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11912526855851742840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9194750015669984785.post-63075904652799278362008-10-29T15:25:00.000-04:002008-10-29T15:25:00.000-04:00Some Adventists are afraid of supporting a "pro-li...Some Adventists are afraid of supporting a "pro-life and pro-family" candidate or political party for fear that if they were in power, a national Sunday law would be enforced. In some ways, I don't blame them for their concern because historically, people who pushed for national Sunday laws had no regard for people who observe a different day. Here's one disturbing article I read recently:<BR/>http://endrtimes.blogspot.com/2008/10/in-usa-sunday-laws-are-declared-as.html<BR/><BR/>It's interesting when a Sunday keeper argues with an Adventist on the Sabbath issue, they will claim that it makes no difference what day one keeps; but at the same time, will support Sunday laws. I'm not here to argue what day a person should keep, but if it truly makes no difference what day one keeps, then these same people should not be promoting Sunday laws.Jemdudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09068123497552508466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9194750015669984785.post-9074334839401531792008-10-29T14:52:00.000-04:002008-10-29T14:52:00.000-04:00I found the overwhelming majority of Adventists AR...I found the overwhelming majority of Adventists ARE pro-life, but so many of them do not vote that way. It seems they perceive it as a church/state political issue that would open up last-day events if they were vocal against it. Can't figure out that one.<BR/><BR/>Glad you are here and God bless,<BR/>Teresa BeemTeresa Beemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11912526855851742840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9194750015669984785.post-79964716805019644012008-10-29T09:41:00.000-04:002008-10-29T09:41:00.000-04:00I'm still here Teresa. Don't worry. I'm not here...I'm still here Teresa. Don't worry. I'm not here to engage in a heated debate but just to have a calm conversation.<BR/><BR/>If I were to leave the Adventist church, there would have to be another 7th Day Sabbath keeping group; which is not available where I live. I would not feel comfortable going to a Sunday keeping group and since I am vegetarian, it would be harder to attend a church that had dinners that didn't cater to that.<BR/><BR/>Although I don't have any proof, I believe that most individual Adventists are pro-life, regardless of what the General Conference says. But still, I share your concern about the General Conference's views on the subject of abortion.Jemdudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09068123497552508466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9194750015669984785.post-30307449320818329532008-10-29T08:09:00.000-04:002008-10-29T08:09:00.000-04:00Jemdude:If you have decided to stay, then I will b...Jemdude:<BR/><BR/>If you have decided to stay, then I will be praying for you! Keep working on your church to do something about its abortion stance. I would be crazy not to recommend reading our book, but that is between you and the Lord. <BR/><BR/>God bless,<BR/>Teresa BeemTeresa Beemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11912526855851742840noreply@blogger.com