tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9194750015669984785.post4111767762408134915..comments2023-09-07T13:51:05.341-04:00Comments on From Seventh-day Adventism to Catholicism : Did Jesus Keep a Sunday Sabbath? YES!Teresa Beemhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11912526855851742840noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9194750015669984785.post-62388162876280167432012-02-06T11:54:35.948-05:002012-02-06T11:54:35.948-05:00Arik
Your assumption is that Christ wouldn't p...Arik<br />Your assumption is that Christ wouldn't protect His church. <br /><br />When a soldier leaves his children to go to war, he gives the authority to his wife, "kids, obey your mother." That is the LAW!! <br /><br />Christ trusts His Bride. Your premise is that God's Bride would be corrupted by this type of power and that the Bride would start usurping all of what Dad has said. <br /><br />Nonsense. Yes, at times the Bride gets it wrong, but she does so of ignorance (usually, there are times the church leadership is corrupted, but God usually takes care of that pretty quickly with a great reform or punishment--look at scripture.) <br /><br />Jesus promised that the gates of hell would not prevail against the church and that He would be with His church until the end of time. <br /><br />What you are saying is actually a non-workable system. Christ is the head of the church--of COURSE but He always uses a leader--Moses, Samuel, Peter--someone is always the head of His church on earth. <br /><br />Either it is one, or it is each man for himself making each individual a mini-pope making moral pronouncements for himself. That is anarchy. God's system is not anarchy. <br /><br />Jesus clearly chose Peter as head and the Apostles as bishops and head of the church. They were and are God appointed. <br /><br />You said it was "God through Moses" who allowed divorces. Quite right. God through the church allows many things. <br /><br />God's Bride is not cut off from God, but they work in unison with each other. <br /><br />You think God's church would arbitrarily do something without His Will being involved. No. Never. <br /><br />Mistakes in day to day human judgement can and are made, but never morals. So if the Apostles taught that we are to observe Christ's resurrection on the first day of the week, then we know for certain it IS God's will.Teresa Beemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11912526855851742840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9194750015669984785.post-37868426472574237102012-02-06T07:17:57.876-05:002012-02-06T07:17:57.876-05:00My answer would be Biblical--Yes. Indeed yes. &quo...My answer would be Biblical--Yes. Indeed yes. "On this rock I will build my kingdom, and the gates of hell will not stand against it. WHATSOEVER you bind will be bound in heaven, WHATSOEVER you loose will be loosed in heaven." So the Lord promised Peter. -Teresa<br /><br />The Apostles had no authority to do anything contrary to the will of God. Such arrogance is contrary to the Spirit of humility. Heaven does not conform to man, it is the other way around, or at least it should be. The church can not change God's law, for at least one reason, the new covenant was sealed by Christ's blood. Once Christ died the covenant stands forever. It is legal fiction to change the terms of the covenant after Christ's death. And He did not incorporate a new (Sunday) Sabbath into the New Covenant.<br /><br />And there is precedence. By his authority Moses granted to the Hebrews the ability to divorce. And Jesus said it was NOT so with God's law. But God loosed that for the sake of His servant Moses who He placed in charge. --Teresa<br /><br />It was not by Moses' own authority, God through Moses permitted divorce (which became corrupt) because of the hardness of their hearts. God winked at their ignorance, but today He calls for us to repent and worship Him in Spirit and in Truth.<br /><br />From all the Jewish Rabbinical and historical sources I can find NOWHERE that God changed the lunar calendar to a fixed weekly cycle independent of the sun and moon which Genesis specifically states are for times and festivals. -Teresa<br /><br />You do not even make any sense here. The weekly cycle is not based on lunar events. It is based on the creation week that God Himself created.<br /><br />It doesn't say, go to the Bible as the final authority. It gives the CHURCH the final authority. And whatever the church rules, the person MUST submit to or they should be treated as publicans and sinners.... Teresa<br /><br />The Church is suppose to be the body of Christ, with Christ as the head. You are so proud and arrogant you think the church is the head. The church has no authority in and of itself. Its must follow Christ, and when it deviates from the divine plan (as revealed by Scripture), Christ is no longer the head. And without the head the body is dead.<br /><br /><br />That is a huge power blank check for the church. -Teresa<br /><br />This is the spirit of antichrist and the spirit behind persecution. The bishop of Rome very early on went on a power trip, exalting himself above all the other bishops. I see that nothing has changed, and this spirit still lives on. You compare (wrongly) yourselves to Moses, yet Moses was the most meek man on earth. Nowhere do we see him speaking with such arrogance.<br /><br />So, yeah, I think the Bible is saying that if the church wanted to it COULD change the Sabbath to sunday.-Teresa<br /><br />And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. Dan 7:25Arikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02268678005280108576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9194750015669984785.post-5111533180705711652012-02-04T09:00:50.398-05:002012-02-04T09:00:50.398-05:00My answer would be Biblical--Yes. Indeed yes. &quo...My answer would be Biblical--Yes. Indeed yes. "On this rock I will build my kingdom, and the gates of hell will not stand against it. WHATSOEVER you bind will be bound in heaven, WHATSOEVER you loose will be loosed in heaven." So the Lord promised Peter. <br /><br />And there is precedence. By his authority Moses granted to the Hebrews the ability to divorce. And Jesus said it was NOT so with God's law. But God loosed that for the sake of His servant Moses who He placed in charge. <br /><br />Now hold on because you are going to freak out at this one. But as I have studied over the last decade plus, I have found NO evidence that God changed times and laws.... MAN did that. <br /><br />From all the Jewish Rabbinical and historical sources I can find NOWHERE that God changed the lunar calendar to a fixed weekly cycle independent of the sun and moon which Genesis specifically states are for times and festivals. <br /><br />God put the heavens as our calendar. So, how in the world could we have gone from a lunar calendar to a fixed one. All I can come up with is that somewhere from 200 pre Christ to 200 after Christ, the Jewish people stopped going by the ancient lunar calendar to the pagan Roman one. <br /><br />If this is true, then the Jewish rabbis unilaterally, by their own authority based in the idea of the seat of Moses changed the Sabbath. <br /><br />Jesus didn't utter a peep against it. Jesus, as it is recorded in scripture, went to the synagogue on Sabbath as was HIS CUSTOM! (Notice, like so much of the New Testament, it is not recorded as being obedient to God's word or fulfilling the law.) He acquiesced to the Jewish custom of the day. Yikes... <br /><br />I am not saying that this is exactly what happened, I am just saying the evidence is piling up and I can't find ANY historical or biblical support of a independent weekly cycle before the Babylonian Captivity. IF true, that would make the weekly cycle very, very pagan. And Jesus just went along with it. <br /><br />So perhaps, God has always had a church that was able to bind and loose laws--at least to a certain degree, because a day of rest (sabbath) wasn't lost, but just modified. <br /><br />So, perhaps God's ordained authorities could do the same today? Sounds as if Jesus gave them that authority. <br /><br />For just a moment let's continue that premise as if it is correct (and I am not saying it is... just that it is something I am pondering....) <br /><br />What if the God-ordained church really could bind and loose? Humm.... that would give them a tremendous, unbelievable amount of power. <br /><br />Jesus said--if you see someone doing something wrong, go to them personally and tell them. If they don't listen, get two witnesses and return. If the person still doesn't listen... TAKE THEM TO THE CHURCH. <br /><br />It doesn't say, go to the Bible as the final authority. It gives the CHURCH the final authority. And whatever the church rules, the person MUST submit to or they should be treated as publicans and sinners.... <br /><br />That is a huge power blank check for the church. <br /><br />Jesus also said to this disciples--you must obey the leaders who sit in the seat of Moses, just don't behave like them. <br /><br />EVEN CORRUPT leaders must be obeyed because of the position they hold in the church. <br /><br />Yiksie. <br /><br />So, yeah, I think the Bible is saying that if the church wanted to it COULD change the Sabbath to sunday. <br /><br />But in reality, they didn't. Perhaps the Jews did when they accepted the Roman weekly cycle. But the Catholics still see the weekly Sabbath as Saturday. The Holy day of Resurrection is celebrated on Sunday. It may have been given holiness by the Apostles, but it has never been a direct 7th day Sabbath to the Catholics. It is a first/eighth day holiness.Teresa Beemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11912526855851742840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9194750015669984785.post-3854479200603448792012-02-04T06:37:00.015-05:002012-02-04T06:37:00.015-05:00You are part of a church thats does indeed keep sa...You are part of a church thats does indeed keep sabbaths. What is interesting to me is how you try to use the bible to support your doctrine, and yet there are indeed high ups in your'e church who have admitted that Sunday sabbath is the church's creation, and if we were to use the Bible as our authority the Seventh Day Sabbath would have to be kept. The true Sabbath is indeed biblical, thats why in your church's writings it has to emphasize sunday keeping by tradition. <br /><br />If you read your'e own Catechism together with Dies Domini, Sunday has all the elements of the Seventh Day Sabbath. Its called a day of rest (sabbath), you are told to not work, told to remember it, and its written in as a law. <br /><br />So not only do you not know the Adventist position of the Sabbath, that it is much more than merely a day of not working, or a day to go to church (I think this is what Sabbath keeping was to you while you were Adventist) You also do not even know your'e own church's position. Sunday is your'e sabbath day, you can not deny this and the sooner you admit this and stop lying to the public that "your church chooses not to keep sabbath" the better and more truthful your blog can be. Right now you misrepresent all the parties involved.<br /><br />Not only am I convinced you really were not an Adventist (maybe on the books only) but now I wonder if you are really Catholic. Any debate you have about the Sabbath should be framed in this way:<br /><br />Does the "church" have the authority to change God's holy law by creating another Sabbath day (Sunday).Arikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02268678005280108576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9194750015669984785.post-61071428332398473262012-02-02T08:51:39.921-05:002012-02-02T08:51:39.921-05:00Anon,
I understand your position and after the c...Anon, <br /><br />I understand your position and after the constant arguments in the early church, the Apostles came down on the side of personal choice. We can keep days or not keep days in the New Covenant. Local bishops made that call for early Christianity. <br /><br />If you choose to keep all the Old Covenant Sabbaths (both Saturday, Sunday and all the rest), I honor you in that choice. <br /><br />But I am part of a church that choose not to keep sabbaths. Instead they observe the New Covenant holy first day/eighth day celebration of the Lord's Resurrection. <br /><br />God bless you!Teresa Beemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11912526855851742840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9194750015669984785.post-29773765414742227892012-02-02T08:14:04.329-05:002012-02-02T08:14:04.329-05:00Yes, Tesa you are getting there. The Feast Days w...Yes, Tesa you are getting there. The Feast Days were High Sabbaths (Holy Convocations to the Lord). Those Sabbaths also meant the people of Yahweh were to rest. Just as the Sabbath, seventh day, is set aside (made Holy) so we can rest each week and commune with Him. Aknowledging God in our mind does not allow for us to simply agree with the Sabbaths, but rather to observe them as the Almighty commands. The punishment for disobedience was to be cut off from His people. No rain will fall on those who disobey His commandments. So, it is quite easy to understand that Yeshua would NEVER have broken any of the commandments of His Father. If He would have been disobedient to any part of the commandments of Yahweh, He simply would have been unacceptable as the Living Word made manifest. Did He obey the Law? The astounding answer is YES! Are we to be like Him? And, the astounding answer is YES!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com